 Hi guys, just joined up and still finding my way around the site, didnt see a new members section for introductions and also I can`t seem to see a for sale section for members to sell or swop equipement
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 Well Harry, I do apoligise for your picture 1. I honestly thought that the background had been clipped out, but having read you explanations with the flash it took me back to soem photos I saw in the 70s, and that was looooonnnnnggggg before Photoshop or similar. They were all good, excellent in fact and would easily deserve to be ina competition somewhere. Filters. Sorry, but I do not think they created a manipulated photo in that sense and I like Keith's definition to some extent. As for compact users, well, they would just have to develop their composition skills to compensate for that lack, but I'm sure if someone applied their mind to it a filter could be attached. Keith, in his definitions, omits the ability to crop an image and change it's brightness/contrast. Both of these facilities are again what have been practised for years in the darkroom when printing an image. Even burning in lighter areas to compensate in some cases, we've all (those who are old and crinkly enough) done it. For me it's the creation of your photo 2 and 3. They would go into manipulated then and #1 would stay after reading your explanation because if you were printing from film to paper you would mask off the bit of wire. I guess in the end, if we had to write an explanation of how we arrived at the image, it would then be up to the judges to decide.
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This has been a good topic, thought provoking and entertaining. MORE PLEASE!
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 Lesley - "Well having only just joined Im finding this a very interesting site, although some of it way over my head at times..." If you could detail what it is that goes over your head...then we can gear things to address this. You wont be the only one!
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Well Mike perhaps the guidlines /rules type of thing for beginers, like where the skyline line should be. An explanation/ tutorial about the best type of viewpoint to look for & tips, Explanations of the different exposures that sort of thing perhaps. A bit old hat for the experienced members so have this sort of information in a New Members section. It would possibly give encouragement to the novice and also help to increase membership.
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 Leslie we could talk about the "golden mean" for ever and a day, but you will find the basics here>> .http://www.thinctanc.co.uk/design/photography_tutorial_02.html Now when you have digested and put this into practice, start to work outside the "Golden Mean" Harry
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It works thank you Harry. Looks a very informative site and just what I need. Lesley
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Lesley, look to see if there are viewing options on your camera. For example on Fujifilm cameras you can choose the option to view "framing guidlines", 4 lines that roughly follow along the "golden mean" principle. If not then to make things simple just imagine lines 1/3rd in on both sides and top and bottom. Many artists use this (not always) to place the main features of their composition. Horizons should never be in the centre if it can be avoided, but the horizon isn't the skyline, which could be further up than the horizon when photographing mountains or tall buildings etc. Like Harry says though, experiment outside the GM. Van Gogh did on many occasions and look at the value of his work today. Take a look also at some of the examples in Turner's works and if all you were to do was emulate those compositions, you'd be doing alright.
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I'll just give you this as an example of Van Gogh's work and let you decide. Find the horizon, it's bang in the centre. Divide the painting in two halves vertically, there's a warm side and and a cold side. In the actual painting there's a lady clad in a red coat on the cold side that draws your attention. All things you should avoid, but ........... Stand back and view it. Absolutely brilliant piece of art. So experiment and remember, binary digits are cheap and reuseable, what you don't like later you can delete, but if you don't get it in the first place you can't make it up (not without Photoshop at least).
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A Canon G9 - after reading that latest review...  Really enjoy it here - particularly the editorial pieces.
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Well we are giving away a G9! http://www.thinkcamera.com/#Easter Click the egg to go to that day's competition page - there's 8 in all, so 8 chances to get your name in the hat!
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What a fantastic giveaway, Mike! Who's sponsoring this one?
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Ricoh are supporting with an R8...
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Hello Everyone, Still a newbie here,but,getting there slowly.I would like to see a section for Members Viewpoints,where members take a series of photos of their home area,and you could maybe get a competition going regarding this. Gary.
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Leave the artists out of the photo equaition, look what van gogh did to his ear! But jokes aside I would like to see something about the use of bellows and lenses and the best use of a filter for a particular photo
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Wally... Lenses - specifically for DSLR? Do you mean lens reviews, or more 'what means what' / 'what does what' and what to look out for? Bellows - depends what you're referring to here? Do you mean large format(/medium format in some instances) cameras that have bellows? Using those systems is methodically totally different to point and shoot, nor originally digital (though that has developed in part). Depends where your curiosity lies and what you're looking to know?
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using digital lenses on the old bellows on rails for macro experiments and anything else that some enterprising people have tried to enlarge the world of small things, even using microscopes and additional loose lenses, I have seen some amazing results that have got my interest aroused!
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I've worked with extension tubes to get super macro, but never bellows extensions for this job...
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Someone out there!!! I need some advice on the use of the original flash used with Olympus OM4. I would like to use those flash units with an Olympus E510; someone told me that I can use them off camera together with a slave thigamaging, and it will work. The cost of the new Olympus flash type 50, 36 etc is the reason for my enquiry.
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